i said, mr. mandela, i showed him a picture of my grandfather, he said, we're all brothers. my grandfather had passed away by then. it was just his constant humility. and i think one of the things that i look at the nexus of the anc and naacp our struggle that was continuing in of -- going on in south africa there is a necks us that really made us as brothers and we had such an 'feign tee with him. affinity with him. he meant a lot to me. >> i think we would miss an opportunity if we treated everything that he accomplished, everything he was as something that we look back on. as the past. in fact he left homework for us to do. he left -- not only in south africa but also for us here. how do we relate. the things that we get upset about that we don't speak to people about. the fights we have, look what he forgave. look how he reconciled. the truth of the reconciliation in south africa still one of the most amazing things that's ever happened in the world. to face their accused and do something better. >> he created that possibility he left that work for us to do here, lesson